I thought I already posted
about this, but apparently I was only going to... The Lively project team has written about their experience of
using javascript as a real programming language
and I think it makes an interesting read, specially in light of the current ES4 politics.
I've been following lots of comments and opinions posted since that
draft ECMAScript 4 Overview was published
and all hell broke loose on the
es4-discuss mailing list
.
Although I prefer the dynamic and flexible nature of Javascript to be taken even further instead of tying things down with classes, strict types and non-mutable built-ins, I see why ES4 is a good next step for ES as the "universal scripting language". ES should be able to bend all the way to where it becomes similar to a strict compile-time language. In a sense, the ability to be strict becomes the proof of its ultimate flexibility.
On the other side, I hope we can still get more features into ES4 that increase its dynamic nature. Maybe some of what Doug Crockford has up his sleeve with ES3.1 can still go into ES4 *in addition* to what the majority of
TG1
is already proposing. Yes, that would make ES4 an even bigger revision. After the amount of time that has passed since the evolution of Javascript has cooled down with the end of the browser war, a big revision is overdue. Client-side technology has again become a focus. As a result of the Ajax hype, Adobe's AIR and MS's Silverlight, the client-side is again becoming a battle ground.
So, churn TG1, churn. Bring us new ECMAScript revisions quickly. Don't hesitate to split things up into multiple specs, like you've done in the past with
Ecma-327
and
Ecma-357
. For example, a more flexible, less secure mode allowing embeddings to opt-out of the non-mutability for built-in types, offering macros and allowing even built-in keywords to be overridden can all make sense in some environments. So would a much more limited, more secured ECMAScript subset, defined as a separate opt-in standard, that could provide a jailed eval to embeddings that need it.
The use case in browsers is only a small part of the entire ECMAScript universe. Outside the world of browsers, maximizing flexibility can also mean to allow embeddings to run in different modes or to not require them to implement all ECMAScript subsets. So, not everything that is standardized under the name "ECMAScript" actually has to end up in web browsers!
29.11.2007, 10:00
Toronto based Kristan Uccello has started blogging about his experiences taking the
first steps with Helma at helmablog.com
. He brought my attention to a Helma related
cover story in the November issue of Linux Pro Magazine
written by
Stephan Schmidt
.
Apparently the downloads for the listings code are not online yet and the listings in the article seem incomplete. Fortunately,
kuccello
has tweaked things to get a
working FeedReader app
.
18.11.2007, 11:33
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aaroniba says on news.ycombinator.com...
We use Helma for our (unlaunched) YC startup, and we love it.
"It's faster than rails, and IMO nicer to develop with. Having all the Java libraries without having to code in Java is sweet. The ORM is really well-designed and the built-in object cache is super fast. The template system has its quirks, but once you get used to it, is also really sweet."
"It's a shame helma wasn't documented or evangelized as well as rails was. I think it's a better framework that just didn't catch on because it wasn't marketed well."
And
midnightmonster
continues to evangelize E4X and the flexibility of Helma's server-side environment.
23.10.2007, 17:11
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Russell Beattie thinks we are moving in the right direction:
More Javascript on the server-side
and the rest of the universe.
Javascript is the UNIX of scripting languages.
9.10.2007, 15:15
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On November 1st,
World
Radio Geneva
will become World Radio Switzerland.
For many years, World Radio Geneva has served yours truly as the
"official sound track". This site has linked to
their live audio stream
and
my better bits of code have all been written under the influence
of "88.4 FM WRG".
Over the past years, WRG has been operating as a privat local
radio station. With the change to WRS, it will become a national
public radio station. The new WRS station will have had a
turbulent history, if you count all the different bits together.
The swiss public service broadcaster
SRG
SSR
has statutes very similar to Britain's BBC and originally
applied for an FM license for WRG with the intention of mainly
re-using content produced by Swiss Radio International. However,
the license it finally received from the federal government
mandated that the station had to be commercial, limiting the
ability to re-use Swiss Radio International content.
Swiss Radio International was later forced to focus on internet
content, becoming
swissinfo
,
and the SRG SSR made its Radio Suisse Romande (RSR) subsidiary the
principal shareholder together with Reuters and the BBC. Recent changes
in swiss law made the involvement of the SRG SSR in a commercial
radio station again more troublesome and the SRG SSR was forced
to either sell WRG entirely or absorb it into its public service
structure. The latter is what has happened and as a result WRG
will go national as WRS with the blessing of the federal
government.
World Radio Switzerland could become a small but important puzzle
piece moving us closer towards an anglo-professional and one day
maybe an anglo-official future. Switzerland has a unique
opportunity in this regard since it does not have to protect its
current official languages to the extent necessary in nations
like France, Germany and Italy for cultural reasons. Lifting the
status of English in Switzerland will have a unifying effect and
will re-energize the evolution of our political principals.
Now, on one hand, I'm really excited about the potential of what
World Radio Switzerland could become. A WRG-FM equivalent for all
of Switzerland would be a fantastic thing to have. It would be
the radio channel of my dreams and, more importantly, it would be
exactly the medicine Switzerland needs to move its collective
consciousness forward in the right direction.
On the other hand, I'm really worried that they'll screw it up
and miss that opportunity, because I don't know if they
understand themselves what it is that makes WRG-FM tick and
whether they can properly translate and scale that to a national
level. Assuming the current management of WRG does in fact "get"
it, will they be able to defend the genetic code of WRG against
the infectious influences that they will be exposed to from other
interest groups inside and outside of the SRG SSR?
With the start of World Radio Switzerland, Switzerland is at a
cross-roads between ...ehm... no change, and leveraging that
media to develop a higher level of self-awareness. Will we miss
that opportunity?
27.9.2007, 19:05
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For crying out loud! ...so, Helma is a conspiracy now? ;-)
A comment
about helma on reddit
: "It is a neocon conspiracy to consolidate power on centralized authoritarian servers rather than on democratically used browsers where it should be. Helma is the "New World Order" cryptically referenced in numerous GHWB speeches and various Neocon vision statements."
I don't think so :-)
27.9.2007, 11:24
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More ingredients for the Mocha pie: the new version of
CouchDB leverages JSON and Javascript
. I wonder what happens if you
throw JSONPath at it
.
2.9.2007, 12:03
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Paul Graham,
Holding a Program in One's Head
:
"Your code is your understanding of the problem you're exploring. So it's only when you have your code in your head that you really understand the problem."
"Distractions are bad for many types of work, but especially bad for programming, because programmers tend to operate at the limit of the detail they can handle. The danger of a distraction depends not on how long it is, but on how much it scrambles your brain. A programmer can leave the office and go and get a sandwich without losing the code in his head. But the wrong kind of interruption can wipe your brain in 30 seconds."
"The more succinct the language, the shorter the program, and the easier it is to load and keep in your head. You can magnify the effect of a powerful language by using a style called bottom-up programming, where you write programs in multiple layers, the lower ones acting as programming languages for those above."
Yep.
26.8.2007, 11:17
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> Rhino 1.6R6 with E4X fix and patches for Helma
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> Helma 1.6 is ready!
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> Junction brings Rhino on Rails to Helma
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> Javascript for Java programmers
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> The server-side advantage
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> John Resig on Javascript as a language
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> Rhino on Rails
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> Release Candidate 3 of Helma 1.6.0
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> ECMAScript 4 Reference Implementation
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> Antville Summer Of Code 2007
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> Helma 1.6.0-rc2
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> Using H2 with Helma
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> Helma warped around existing db schemas
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> Rocket the Super Rabbit
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> Bootstrap is out of the bag
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> The last mention of Microsoft
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> Helma 1.6.0-rc1
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> Introducing Planet Helma
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> Helma ante portas
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> Fixing Javascript inheritance
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> Shutdown-Day the Helma way
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> Upcoming Helma 1.6, new reference docs and IRC channel
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> Making Higgs where the Web was born
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> Jala for Helma
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> See you at Lift'07
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> More on Javascript Inheritance
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> Mocha Inheritance
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> Helma 1.5.3
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> Fresh Rhino on Safari
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> Truly Hooverphonic!
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> Helma 1.5.2
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> RFC 4329 application-ecmascript
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> Helma 1.5.1 ready to download
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> Aptana - Eclipse reincarnated as a Javascript IDE
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> Building the Conversational Web
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> Drosera steps in to debug Safari
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> Helma 1.5.0 has been released!
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> Helma 1.5 RC2 is ready
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> Helma 1.5.0 Release Candidate 1 available for download
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> FreeBSD Jails the brand new easy way
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> Javascript 2 and the Future of the Web
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> Frodo takes on chapter 3
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> No Rough Cut :-(
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> Welcome to Helma!
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> 40th Montreux Jazz Festival
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> trackAllComments
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> Rails' greatest contribution
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> Consensus vs Direct Democracy
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> A candidate for CSCSJS or a Mocha Fetchlet
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> A (Re)-Introduction to JavaScript
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> coComment Roundup
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> Track your comments
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> Sketching image queries and reinventing email
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> ECMAScript - The Switzerland of development environments
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> I love E4X
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> Tutorial D, Industrial D and the relational model
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> Stop bashing Java
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> E4X Mocha Objects
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> Logging and other antimatters
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> Stronger types in Javascript 2
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> Javascript Diagnosis & Testing
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> Homo Oxymora
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> Yeah, why not Javascript?
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> Moving beyond Java
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> Spidermonkey Javascript 1.5 finally final
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> Helma Trivia
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> Finding Java Packages
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> JSEclipse Javascript plug-in for Eclipse
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> Catching up to Continuations
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> Mighty and Beastie Licenses
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> Tasting the OpenMocha Console
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> "Who am I?", asks Helma
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> Savety vs Freedom and other recent ramblings
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> Mont-Soleil Open Air Lineup
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> Rhinola - Mocha reduced to the minimum
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> OpenMocha 0.6 available for download
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> E4X presentation by Brendan Eich
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> What is Mocha?
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> Do you remember Gopher?
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> The current.tv disappointment
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> OpenMocha Project Roadmap
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> MochiKit Javascript Library
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> Getting your feet wet with OpenMocha
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> People flocking to see global warming
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> Rails vs Struts vs Mocha
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> The JavaScript Manifesto
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> OpenMocha is ready for a spin
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> The limits of harmonization
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> Le Conseil fédéral au Mont-Soleil
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> Amiga History Guide
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> The people must lead the executive, control the legislature and be the military
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> Copyback License
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> Looking at FreeBSD 6 and Beyond
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> Qualified Minority Veto
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> The Doom of Representative Democracy
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> Violence in a real democracy
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> Concordance and Subsidiarity
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> Wrapping Aspects around Mocha Objects?
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> Future of Javascript Roadmap
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> Baby steps towards Javascript heaven
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> Mac OS X spreading like wildfire
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> Trois petits filous à Faoug
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> Jackrabbit JSR 170
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> Rich components for HTML 5
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> More Java Harmony
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> Mac goes Intel
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> Google goes Rumantsch
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> Oxymoronic Swiss-EU relations
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> Rico and Prototype Javascript libraries
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> Paul Klee - An intangible man and artist
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> Incrementalism in the Mozilla roadmap
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> Mocha multi-threading
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> Moving towards OpenMocha
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> Google goes Portal
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> What Bush doesn't get
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> Unique and limited window of opportunity
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> Persisting Client-side Errors to your Server
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> Dive Into Greasemonkey
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> Brown bears knock on Switzerland's door
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> The experience to make what people want
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> "Just" use HTTP
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> Yes, what is gather?
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> A Free Song for Every Swiss Citizen
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> Java in Harmony
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> Jan getting carried away
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> Evil Google Web Accelerator?
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> JSON.stringify and JSON.parse
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> Ajax for Java
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> The launching of launchd
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> Timeless RSS
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> Kupu
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> SNIFE goes Victorinox
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> AJAX is everywhere
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> Papa Ratzi
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> How Software Patents Work
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> Ten good practices for writing Javascript
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> Free-trade accord with japan edges closer
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> Mocha at a glance
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> Adobe acquires Macromedia
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> Safari 1.3
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> View complexity is usually higher than model complexity
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> Free Trade Neutrality
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> SQL for Java Objects
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> Security Bypass
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> Exactly 1111111111 seconds
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> Kurt goes Chopper
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> Choosing a Java scripting language
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> Spamalot's will get spammed a lot
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> The visual Rhino debugger
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> The Unix wars
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> EU-Council adopts software patent directive
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> FreeBSD baby step "1j"
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> Never trust a man who can count to 1024 on his fingers
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> Visiting the world's smallest city
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> Finally some non-MS, non-nonsense SPF news
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> Swiss cows banned from eating grass
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> Ludivines, the "Green Fairy" of absinthe
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> First Look At Solaris 10
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> EU Commission Declines Patent Debate Restart
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> Alan Kay's wisdom guiding the OpenLaszlo roadmap towards Mocha?
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> 1 Kilo
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> Re: FreeBSD logo design competition
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> Schweizer Sagen
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> Europas Eidgenossen
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> XMLHttpRequest glory
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> Art Nouveau La Chaux-de-Fonds 2005-2006
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> The Beastie Silhouette
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> The Number One Nightmare
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> Safe and Idempotent Methods such as HEAD and TRACE
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> Sorry, you have been verizoned.
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> Daemons and Pixies and Fairies, Oh My!
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> Sentient life forms as MIME-attachments: RFC 1437
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> Web Developer Extension for Firefox
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> Refactoring until nothing is left
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> Brendan, never tired of providing Javascript support
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> Catching XP in just 20 Minutes
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> Designing the Star User Interface
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> Rhino, Mono, IKVM. Or: JavaScript the hard way
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> Re: SCO
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> Judo
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> Convergence on abstraction and on browser-based Console evaluation
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> Today found out that inifinite uptimes are still an oxymoron
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> New aspects of woven apps
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> Original Contribution License (OCL) 1.0
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> Unified SPF: a grand unified theory of MARID
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> BSD is designed. Linux is grown.
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> 5 vor 12 bei 10 vor 10
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> Mocha vs Helma?
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> Schattenwahrheit: Coup d'etat underway against the Cheney Circle?
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> Abschluss Bilaterale II Schweiz-EU
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> From Adam Smith to Open Source
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> Linux - the desktop for the rest of them
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> Big Bang
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> Leaky Hop Objects
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> Return Path Rewriting (RPR) - Mail Forwarding in the Spam Age
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> Microsoft Discloses Huge Number Of Windows Vulnerabilties
|
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> Steuerungsabgabe statt Steuern
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> Anno 2003: deployZone
|
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> The war against terror
|
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> The war against terror (continued)
|
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> The relativity of Apple's market share
|
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> Are humans animals?
|
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> Anno 1999: Der Oberhasler
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> Anno 1998: crossnet
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> Geschwindigkeit vs Umdrehungszahl
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> Anno 1997: Xmedia
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> "The meaning of life is to improve the quality of all life"
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> Anno 1996: CZV
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> How do I set a DEFAULT HTML-DOCUMENT?
|
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> Global Screen Design Services
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